Herbie Hancock and Jools Holland
Good stuff. St Louis Blues, but don’t quote me on that.
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An economics.org.au Production — Highlights of Kerry Packer’s 1991 House of Reps Select Committee on Print Media Appearance. He shows that he is not only opposed to government intevention that disadvantages him. It also includes perhaps the most famous Australian anti-government quote, where Packer says that anyone who pays more tax than they can get away with needs their head examined. For more radical and principled politics from other great Australians, like John Singleton, Lang Hancock and Neville Kennard, subscribe to economics.org.au and like facebook.com .
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JohnCClinton 21:00 on 03.10.2011 Permalink
to be absolutely clear: this song is called “St Louis Blues”.
And the show is called “Later…”
straysjazz 21:41 on 03.10.2011 Permalink
@archfarchnad Absolutely agree with you. They’re both awesome in their own rights! I challenge anyone to tap out the rhythm on the table, never mind getting the notes right!
straysjazz 22:19 on 03.10.2011 Permalink
This was played on gershwin’s world album with Setevie Wonder on vocals and harmonica and i think this recording was to help promote that album. I remember watching on telly and being blown away – and then going out and buying the Gershwin’s World album. It sounds like there’s a few different tracks medlied into this one!
jaw1024 22:32 on 03.10.2011 Permalink
See, I like Herbie Hancock, but I like Jools Holland too. But which is best? There’s only one way to find out, (piano) FIGHT!
cpthomas100 23:27 on 03.10.2011 Permalink
This is St. Louis Woman a Harold Arlen Johnny Mercer song.
biglinguist 23:37 on 03.10.2011 Permalink
@zzdragonzzzz Funny, that’s not how I read that facial expression… more like, “I’m not so sure this is gonna work”… then there’s a smile that looks like relief later on.
artyrowerpom 23:39 on 03.10.2011 Permalink
this aint watermelon man, citric acid
bucksmusic 00:15 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
@CitricAcid13 – No cooleono1 is correct this is St Louis Blues.
Agar101 00:55 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
for those who think one is better, they both have a brilliant feel. herbie may be a little faster, and definitely more harmonically and melodically progressive; that’s not always a good thing, jools never takes it too far. at 3:15 , what the hell is that? but in other places, brilliance. plus, they’re both loving it. classy stuff
DarkeningSkies1 01:15 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
Jools had A LOT of stones to play an acoustic piano duet with Herbie Hancock. For that alone, he gets credit.
cooleono1 01:46 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
@CitricAcid13 You’re having a laugh right?
CitricAcid13 02:43 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
It’s Watermelon Man by the way. The graphic was mentioning that they would later play the St. Louis Blues.
donaldinho25 03:41 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
Very interesting hearing the contrast in styles between two soloists in the same piece of music. amazing!!
zzdragonzzzz 04:15 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
Got to love how Herbie is like eyeing him down at the begining like “Kid, get off this stage…. Don’t even try to beat me”
AwaTu 04:54 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
Yes, you are correct —This is St. Louis Blues…
TehWinnerz 05:51 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
@archfarchnad because there are some people who seem to think that Jools is as good as or even (gulp) better than Herbie. Herbie is one of the biggest geniuses in Jazz. Listen to him in the 60′s with Miles. Owww!!! Jools is seriously average.
archfarchnad 06:02 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
@TehWinnerz
Serious question: The Peter’s Band?
Not that relevant anyway. My point is that I don’t understand why some people here want to berate Jools Holland because he’s playing with Herbie Hancock. Herbie doesn’t seem to feel that playing with Jools is beneath him. He clearly has respect for Jools. So why all the anti-Jools comments? That’s all I’m saying.
I play guitar. I like to jam with other guitarists. Some are btter than me, others are not as good. No-one ever criticises though!
TehWinnerz 06:30 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
@archfarchnad I can assure you that the people who own The Peters band have more talent than Jools could ever hope to have.
merilion12 07:27 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
you can’t compare the two. though both brilliant pianists Jools is fundamentally a Blues pianist while Herbie’s a jazz pianist. they’re both great, i mean personally herbie is of a different class, but as blues pianists go you dont get much better than Jools.
PatrickP17 08:13 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
@AJFan1234 Take it you meant me; that smile is completely natural. While I do personally believe that Herbie is the better pianist, you cannot say Jools isn’t good. He’s made a career out of his piano playing, for a start.
AJFan1234 09:05 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
Herbie 1 Jools 0
AJFan1234 09:41 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
@archfarchnad – Smiling on stage means nothing. when I’m having the worst time on stage, that’s the time I smile hardest. I’m afraid I agree with @thepetersmusic: Herbie is on another level, and this is a bit embarrassing for the UK!
PatrickP17 10:39 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
@ThePetersmusic Simple answer to that. At 0:59 or so, there’s a camera on Herbie’s face. Why is he smiling in pure pleasure at the frankly awesome sound created by the two of them?
archfarchnad 11:05 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
@ThePetersmusic
I have tried to find footage and other references to your own musical genius, but alas, so far nothing has come up. Are you able to direct me to a video of your good self playing. I sense that you must be an incredible musician to consider Jools as “hopeless… on every level.” You must be better, in fact, that Herbie Hancock because HE rates Jools where you don’t.
Please tell me. I wish to be in awe of your greatness!!!
ThePetersmusic 11:38 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
@archfarchnad
Jools is a hopeless pianist on every level. i feel sorry for anyone that thinks otherwise. The fact that he shared a stage with Herbie makes me physically sick and is a colossal embarrassment to our countries great pianists. Sorry you had to sit through that Herbie. Jools should be compared more with extras in daytime soaps like doctors and Home and Away not Caan and Duvall.
mittalsteel1 12:15 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
wow……im seriously impressed
MrBITS101 12:29 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
a witch hunt orchestrated by Hawke Keating to try and control and gag the media in this country. Just like how they control the ABC for their own purposes. Thank god for Kerry Packer we need more people like him in this country.
Rickvred1173 13:04 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
He would have made a great PM
shutuprafa 13:42 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
@economicsthemovie it was exaggeration on my part for sure. the point of such a statement was that kerry packer was more self-interested than libertarian. go back to my original point, his rhetoric didn’t match his actions. I agree, there is nothing incompatible with libertarianism, or a general classical liberal position, in this Kerry Packer video. I’m just saying don’t think he’s a principled libertarian (even one who hasn’t read Rothbard, Hayek, etc) just because of his big business rhetoric
economicsthemovie 14:02 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
@shutuprafa Is there anything incompatible with libertarianism, or a general classical liberal position, in this Kerry Packer video? No! You claim, if Packer “lived in poverty”, “he’d be begging the state for a handout”; that kind of allegation cannot seriously be substantiated. You say that because Kerry Packer paid taxes, it was alright that he used taxpayer-funded roads. That is exactly like saying that those who don’t pay taxes, shouldn’t use the roads, which is ridiculous and endorses gov.
shutuprafa 14:43 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
@economicsthemovie No. Libertarians using public goods is as fair as anarchists voting, but his incestuous relationship with gov’t officials goes beyond the simple enjoyment of public goods that he, as a taxpayer, was entitled to use. His political stance mirrored his self-interest, which can often lead to the libertarian take on things, but hardly always. I still admire much of what he did for cricket and he’s an impressive man but I think ‘crony capitalist’ is the more apt than ‘libertarian’
shutuprafa 15:12 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
@economicsthemovie the question to ask is whether he is more libertarian than the average rich guy simply acting in his self-interest…and the answer is a resounding no. If Kerry Packer had the same personality traits but lived in poverty, he’d be begging the state for a handout. He consistently lobbied privately for government actions that tilted the playing field in his favor. A libertarian cares about the level of government involved as much as, if not more so than, his private interests
economicsthemovie 15:34 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
@shutuprafa I do not claim Packer was a committed libertarian, but he certainly seemed to lean more towards libertarianism than statism. You comment that he benefited from government intervention; yes, but that does not mean he approved of it, any more than a libertarian using government roads means they therefore must approve of the funding structure of government roads.
economicsthemovie 16:24 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
@shutuprafa Kerry Packer also used government roads. These roads are funded through taxes which are not voluntary. So, @shutprafa, are you saying that a libertarian using roads is being hypocritical? After all, Packer could have just stayed home, or taken a private helicopter.
shutuprafa 17:24 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
“he is not a pure Rothbardian trained in Misesian Austrian school praxeology and natural law theory”…please tell me you’re being sarcastic. it’s easy for Kerry Packer to say he’d like an open slather because he’s already hopped over barriers to entry (governmental and natural). More importantly, Kerry Packer’s actions mean more than any of his words…and his actions are not one of a libertarian (or at least an honest one)
shutuprafa 17:56 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
@economicsthemovie he’s trying to point out that one is coerced and one is voluntary…that’s what libertarianism is all about. ilikemustard’s point has nothing to do with approving power
Krazio1 18:22 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
“We should all be minimising tax… because as a Government your not spending it so well that we should be donating extra”
DaneChristo 19:16 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
“you made the rules in 1986 I didn’t try and sneak behind the backdoor or sneak underneath this, these rules were made in 1986, I READ THE RULES and said ‘what am i aloud to do? And thats exactly what we’ve done. Now why do you want to change the rules? Thats exactly what these rules were put in place for” hahahaha you don’t have to like him to know he has a memory of an elephant and the heart of a lion!
Gunnabee 19:49 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
. Democracy is owned by the citizenry and the parliamentary system represents these interests. It is thus the intent of Packers engagment within this democracy as a citizen that should have been questioned, not Packer’s right to engage. Sadly, no one picked up on this and Packer was allowed to go unquestioned.
AlecTaylor6 20:45 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
“Every-time you pass a law, you take someone’s privileges away from them”
“We should all be minimising tax… because as a Government your not spending it so well that we should be donating extra”
Excellent rendition, I can’t wait any longer for this “open slather” (Free Trade) which Packer advocates
=]
economicsthemovie 21:44 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
@Ilikemustard Thanks for your response. I disagree with your attempt to differentiate paying-off politicians and paying-off tax collectors. If you want to make money and satisfy consumers, eventually you are going to have to use government infrastructure (roads, sports stadia, etc.), and negotiate with the politicians in charge of government infrastructure, which crowd out and artificially outcompete private alternatives. So, paying-off politicians is very different to approving of their power.
Ilikemustard 22:04 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
@economicsthemovie
“Secondly, how does paying-off politicians differ from taxation?”
Taxation is forced payment. There is no transaction officially agreed upon, even if you pay taxes willingly.
Paying off politicians is an agreed transaction – The politician receives money, and Kerry receives economic protection.
cypriotmick 22:10 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
@dankru very smart man . those with the most toys wins
cypriotmick 23:06 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
gives it to you straight
barnanimal62 23:15 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
better than any politician that man Kerry…………he tore those idiots apart
economicsthemovie 23:37 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
@dankru Thanks for your comments. To make 2 points in response:
Firstly, although he is not a pure Rothbardian trained in Misesian Austrian school praxeology and natural law theory, his response to the insistent Costello, that, he would be happy if media ownership was “open slather,” would, at least in some ways, have disadvantaged him. This answer, and others in the video, show Packer’s strong tendency toward libertarianism.
Secondly, how does paying-off politicians differ from taxation?
dankru 23:50 on 04.10.2011 Permalink
Sorely missed my arse. Anyone who believes Kerry Packer was a libertarian needs their head examined. When it suited him he had no problems in paying off politicians and getting them to interfere in his favour. You only have to look at what the Wran Govt did for him to get the SCG for the World Series Cricket. Kerry’s philosophy was that Kerry was number one and fuck everyone else. Only when it suited him the rules applied.
darwincity 00:04 on 05.10.2011 Permalink
Surprising to see such a great performance from K.Packer, especially with his voice thoroughly audible. If businessmen around the world were to fight against the tyranny of taxes, they’d go for that, however I’m not sure they could achieve this as thoroughly as he did… His calm is just remarkable in the face of such attacks…
jorologo 00:56 on 05.10.2011 Permalink
That collection of politicians looked like a bunch of Bad Boys reporting to the head master for after school detention.
Peter Costello must have rehearsed that question over and over for at least 2 days.
If say A Julia Gillard was trying to put one over Big Kerry , he’d just tell her to go off and make him a cup of tea and to serve up some finger buns.
What a man.
Dreama40 01:14 on 05.10.2011 Permalink
legend! one of a kind……